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Elon may have been technically correct about 'if humans can do it with vision only then theres no reason why vision-only cannot work' but turned out to be the wrong strategy for learning how to get there. lidar gives you a constant stream of data to check your vision yourself against and interatively learn. Once trained you turn it off. whereas teslas strategy ended up having to rely on human drivers for error feedback which made the learning loop way longer.


The other issue is that lidar costs came down 99% in the last decade and self-driving took longer than he had said.

At $200, you might as well add lidar. At $50,000 vision only made more sense.

A trained marksman may be able to hit a clay pigeon with a 22, but it's easier with a shotgun.

So saying a human can do something doesn't mean it's the easiest way.


Why would we want to have robot cars that only drive as good as humans can?


You seem to be baking-in the assumption that extreme precision is what can make the difference when driving a car, but I put to you that the vast, vast majority of human-at-fault accidents are not due to the precision being slightly off.

It will be logic and driving behavior that makes the difference between Waymo/Tesla/others rather than whether the perception accuracy is micron level or not.


It's far far too early to say whether it turned out to be wrong.

Tesla also has a robotaxi service in Dallas, FWIW, in testing.


In testing. Waymo though is serving millions of rides for years now. Not saying Tesla won't close this gap but there's a real gap.


Waymo does 4 million rides per month.

Uber does 1 billion, for reference.

There's still a long, long way to go. Waymo has proven it can operate a high-priced service in a handful of cities in good weather, it hasn't yet demonstrated true scale and affordability.


"Humans can do x, therefore non humans can do it too", says the guy with a degree in philosophy! Surely not formal philosophy:)

Jokes aside I always thought this was a crap argument. If you can get more useful signals into a system, it's likely to perform better. Duh!

But never argue with a CEO: their interest is profit, not honest conversations.


we'll see how it plays out. Tesla FSD is incredible. Robotaxis are coming, slowly for now, but then in a wave.


Elon annoys me. Waymo has AFAICT simply a better safety record than Tesla. And he runs SpaceX...?




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