I'm not going to argue since I haven't used mise, but how beginner friendly is it? The nice thing about "just" is literally the "can learn in an afternoon". When I was in a team of, well, less motivated developers, that mattered. It meant they could modify and maintain the justfile without everything depending on me.
Of course, if those aren't dynamics you have to deal with, definitely go with what works.
There's also invoke (https://www.pyinvoke.org/). I suspect it too is more powerful than just, and I know teams that use them.
One issue with Just is that by default each line in a recipe is executed in a sub shell. Set a variable in line 1 and you can’t use it in line 2. Mise `run` blocks are embedded shell scripts. Alternatively, you can pull those scripts out into individual files so that you can edit them with syntax highlighting etc with any editor that understands shell scripts. Perhaps you can with just now, too, but mise makes it trivially easy. You can get away without a mise.toml at all if you just put your scripts in the right directory.
> One issue with Just is that by default each line in a recipe is executed in a sub shell. Set a variable in line 1 and you can’t use it in line 2. Mise `run` blocks are embedded shell scripts.
just supports the same. If you begin a recipe with a shebang (#!/bin/bash), then it dumps the whole recipe to a file and executes it as a shell script.
Not limited to bash - you can do the same with Python, etc.
As for scripts in their own files vs embedded in a justfile: I've noticed people's opinions vary. Even in my team we'd debate the issue. I prefer them in the justfile so I can read them in one place - as long as it's not huge. Some team members preferred them in their own files.
There was something about the shebang method that made someone else that I wanted to use not work but I forget the details. In any case, just is very nice — I just like mise more at the moment.
The own-file bit comes in nice when you want to run them standalone (CI/CD; maybe someone doesn’t want to use the runner) or you’re fighting against escaping rules. I like having them in the mise file when they’re just a couple of lines. If it turns into a full-on thing, then I prefer to extract it.
