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Flag those comments. They're very clearly violating the guidelines, which is exactly what the flag button is for.

> Technology isn't apolitical.

Irrelevant. HN is not the place to randomly inject flamewars about politics. It's explicitly against both the purpose and guidelines of HN.

Seems like you need to review the guidelines again, because they're pretty clear:

> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


"randomly inject flamewars about politics"

Basic morality is not "flamewars" or "politics".


I didn't miss anything. The parent that they can choose to ignore it forever, it's a perfectly valid option. It just won't disentangle tech from politics.

The fact that Elon Musk's companies take contracts from the CIA and NRO is not flamebait. It's context that informs how we evaluate future SpaceX ventures.


I heard the term "Gruen Transfer"[1] to describe the successful hijacking of attention in a store. I think it's useful to describe digital platforms, too - you go to YouTube to watch a video recommended by a friend, and then when you're done, The Feed attempts to pull a Gruen on you.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruen_transfer


(what I'm describing is the first thing linked to on the wikipedia page as a disambiguation)

There was an Australian TV series named The Gruen Transfer on the topic of advertising, which had some really insightful commentary, humour, as well as a regular advertising-insider guy who gave great insights 'from the inside' but was inherently grossly dislikeable in most of the things that he big-upped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruen_(TV_series)

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/gruen


> So your argument is abusive practices are required for the creation of influential companies, serious technology, and high paying salaries?

They never said anything remotely like that in their comment. Please engage in good faith, don't lie and pretend that others said things they didn't, and don't break the guidelines.


The vast majority of people do not care about memory efficiency on the levels we're talking about. I've never met a non-technical person who has cared. And out of the technical people that I know (which represent less than 5% of the population), no more than half of them have complained about the memory usage of an electron app.

So this hypothetical is wrong.


Or, they care but they lack the vocabulary to express what they care about.

You can get a new laptop to run software A or competing software B.

You can pay $1000 for the laptop with 4GB of RAM, and software A either can't run on that or will act like pulling teeth, so that software requires you to upgrade to 16GB of RAM which will put you back another $2000.

Or you can run software B which will hum along perfectly smoothly on the original $1000 laptop.

(All of that of course simplifying right past "everyone runs every app 24/7 with five trillion browser tabs open")

Are you honestly suggesting that the end user doesn't care about having to throw exponentially more money at stuffing RAM into their PC just to make the game all their friends are playing online function?


> Or, they care but they lack the vocabulary to express what they care about.

That's speculative to the point of being conspiratorial.

> Are you honestly suggesting that the end user doesn't care about having to throw exponentially more money at stuffing RAM into their PC just to make the game all their friends are playing online function?

I'm extremely clearly not suggesting that. Don't make up things and pretend that other people said them. Engage honestly or not at all.


> Dear fellow humans from "Hacker News".

Please don't lump HN users together to attack them. This is "sneering at the community", which is explicitly forbidden in the guidelines:

> Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

If you have a specific comment to respond to, then respond to it.


I literally had never heard of this before. I don't check HN every single day.

It's extremely reasonable to ask for a link, very easy to include one when making a claim, and attacking someone for asking for evidence is extremely anti-intellectual independent of the level of effort required.

(n.b. that doesn't excuse the hostile way that they asked for proof - "Let's all just believe this baseless assertion shall we")


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They were pointing out the lack of evidence on my part. I agree it was rude but I don't think it's helpful to start calling it misinformation with no evidence. They had a valid point that not everybody Just Knows already, hence why I did reply with a link. I don't think it's constructive to jab much more than I did in that reply.

And thank you for sending that link, because it was extremely useful and detail-packed.

> Problem with Anthropic is that they benefited massively from open source and now are completely against it

Uh, no. They're against open weights. They benefited from open source. Not the same thing.

And the terms of those open-source licenses explicitly allowed usage of the code for whatever. They're using it exactly as licensed.

> Why do they get to benefit, but not everyone else?

How many tens of billions of dollars have you invested into training models?


> - no open weights

That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Nobody is entitled to give you something that they spent (tens of?) billions of dollars to develop for free.

> - can’t use claude to research AI

No problems there either.

> - train on everyone else’s IP and sell it back to them

Which the courts have yet to actually make a ruling on. It seems like it's perfectly legal.

> - 8 regulatory capture attempts and counting

A tweet is not a "regulatory capture attempt".

> - so controlling they are the only US company blacklisted by the US government

If you don't have a point, don't make anything up. There's precisely zero evidence to that backs up the claim that their "controlling" is why the DoW specifically (not the USG, and in fact the WHCOS specifically disagrees with their position) made an unlawful attempt to designate them as a "supply chain threat".

Is this an OpenAI propaganda account?


> That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Nobody is entitled to give you something that they spent (tens of?) billions of dollars to develop for free.

But the Chinese are doing just that?

> Which the courts have yet to actually make a ruling on. It seems like it's perfectly legal.

Legal != moral


> But the Chinese are doing just that?

Completely and totally irrelevant. Has nothing to do with the fact that you are not obligated to others' work.

> Legal != moral

Sure, you're right.

I guess the bigger issue is that the GP's post calls out Anthropic for following along in legal (but what we both believe to be immoral) mass copyright infringement that OpenAI started, while absolving them of the exact same thing. It's a shill account.


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