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What do you attribute to all the smoke? The car is boxed in but it does appear that the car reversed into the car behind and the smoke is from the tires spinning. What do you think should be done in this situation? The car does seem to be boxed in well but the car could potentially get out.


Have you tried living somewhere else or would you like to? For what it’s worth, several societies who were and are predominantly Christian have done quite well, such that most people immigrate to them as opposed to other countries.


I’ve lived in other Christian countries and also don’t like it. I’m actually more interested in indigenous American culture and history.


Can you live in a majority indigenous area? Would that be appropriate if you are not indigenous? I say this because I do think many are too critical of Christian countries without ever experiencing another country. They don’t know how good they have it.


I think you’re confusing geospatial happenstance with religion. No, I don’t like living in a culture that believes a guy came back from the dead. Especially when it’s enriched via colonization. I don’t “have it good”, I literally live in an intellectual wasteland.

Have you ever been to the US? I’ve been to many countries and Christian culture is one of my least favorites.

What makes you think I’m not indigenous? I never said that.


Supposed intellectual wasteland is far better than an actual wasteland. If you live in the US, you most likely have it far better than most everyone else on earth. Immigrants know this much better than Americans who take their freedoms and comfortable life for granted. They are a hard working people and have earned their current privileges.


Oh, it's an actual wasteland too! Again, have you ever been to the US? Outside of our few Disneyland style cities, you're going to get nothing but Applebee's, freeways and obese people hooked on fentanyl. It's truly post-apocalyptic here. I've been to many countries and all of them have the US beat for quality of life. Walk-able, great food, aesthetically pleasing, rich history not built on genocide and land theft, no NFL/jesus/monster truck/gun culture...

Just because some immigrants abandon their homes to come be part of the problem, it doesn't actually make the US a good place to live. I think movies and TV really did a number on a lot of people giving them a misguided view of what it's like to live here.

> If you live in the US, you most likely have it far better than most everyone else on earth

Ask most everyone else on earth how much they pay per month for health insurance. Most can't even fathom how we live like we do once they start learning the details. It's horrible.


You have an Applebees, what I am referring to is extreme poverty, where people have chronic hunger or are starving. High insurance costs are bad, but consider the person who has no ability to pay for food let alone medical care and there is little to no support.

There are certainly wealthy countries other than the US, but most people don’t live in those countries.


There’s homeless people everywhere in the US. They definitely have chronic hunger, extreme poverty and no support. We also have one of, if not the largest prison population in the world.


Can you elaborate? Roger Penrose and his father Lionel did independently discover and popularize the Penrose Stairs and Penrose Triangle but Oscar Reutersvärd had created both years earlier. What do you think should be said about Penrose?


Yeah, I think the story is that Penrose saw an illusion in an Escher print that encouraged him to create the Penrose Triangle, his dad Lionel created the Penrose staircase, and then sent a copy of these in the paper "Impossible objects..." to Escher, who then used the staircase in "Ascending and Descending" and others. It's kind of cool that they cite eachother in these works as inspiration here. I bet Escher could have made an interesting print of them pointing at one another in some kind of impossible object.

And apparently neither Penrose nor Escher knew about Oscar Reutersvärd's work! Oscar got robbed lol.


Yeah, it’s odd that Escher didn’t respond to Reutersvärd’s letters. Also, Penrose found out about Reutersvärd’s work in 1984:

>It wasn’t until 1984 that Roger Penrose (whose father Lionel died in 1972) discovered that Oscar Reutersvärd had invented the triangle and the stairs much earlier.

https://escherinhetpaleis.nl/en/about-escher/escher-today/os...


In 1954, Escher inspired Roger Penrose to create the impossible triangle. Roger shared this with his father, Lionel, who then designed the impossible staircase. In 1958, they published a paper on these illusions and sent a copy to Escher. Escher used Lionel's staircase to create Ascending and Descending and Roger's triangle to create Waterfall. Both Penrose and Escher were completely unaware that Oscar Reutersvärd had independently invented these shapes earlier.


Same reason I miss those library cards found in the back of books. I enjoyed seeing the history a book had, how years could pass without anyone checking it out or seeing a flurry of checkouts.


wow I hadn't thought of those in a while and I also used to love seeing that history and thinking about where the book had been. Thanks!!


Me too! Those library card were more interesting than the book sometimes.


Why don’t people migrate to developing countries instead to help them directly. This form of migration makes it appear that Western countries are better.

There is a big problem with mass migration and people entering a country with antithetical values and beliefs.


+1


So you think parents should not have a say? Wouldn’t that be rather authoritarian to have whatever books and disregard criticism? Many librarians are activists and are choosing books that are not educational. They are actively selecting books that they agree with.


You hire professionals to teach your children. If you think you can do it better than them, why are you sending your kids to school?


I guess you are fine with the recent increase in homeschooling which is hitting record numbers. The activists..oops "professionals" don't like that either.


Look at who homeschools children. It's not people who value education.


Can you expand on why you think society should value it?


What is a society without culture? Decline.


I have mostly come to the same conclusion. I don’t go on Reddit much these days and hacker news as well. When it comes to political discussions dissent is typically challenged with various means other than debate.


Isn’t ironic that your statement got flagged for you stating that Reddit bans opposing views. Another level before outright banning is the use of downvoting and flagging comments.


I agree with you. The real world is stressful or less than ideal for many reasons and we have to apply our knowledge within that context.

In addition to that, this claim is like the dragon in my garage thought experiment. It an unfalsifiable claim that they have “knowledge” but can’t demonstrate it.


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