I would be interested in the income percentile of people visiting fairs, and the prices of items there vs commercial items on a grocery store or mall. I have a feeling 'fairs' are a very different demographic today than 200 years ago.

I mean it isn't wealthy people coming to eat fried chicken on a stick or see the show hogs. Sure its a bad and exploitative deal where you probably are out $25 for that fried chicken on a stick but it doesn't mean the underlying demographics have changed from the "people of the earth" as they've always been. If you have to guess, close your eyes and imagine the sort of people that live in the rural townships 40 minutes outside your nearest major city. That is who you will find at your state or county fair, those people and their teenage kids smuggling in booze in gatorade bottles.

Local farmers market, now thats a dramatically different clientele than the county/state fair. Bread is like $9 a loaf there so you can imagine what sort of individual that selects for.

People of the earth don't seem to care much for ai art or not. What I was trying to say is that fairs aren't places targeting the lower classes trying to sell the cheapest items possible. The lower classes are served by industrialized mass production today: injection molding, factory farming, etc. So I don't see why they want to hate one businessman (the builder of a datacenter) over another (the fair shop owners). I also do not understand how he says these people hate fairs or don't go to fairs in a thread about fair stall owners and small business owners using AI to make their shop logos/posters themselves.

Because of what?

Context.

Is it the lack of hate? I could put all the hate I have into a person or group I hate while composing an AI art piece for instance.

No you couldn't, because you can't compose AI art. The AI composes it, and it can't feel hate.

I don't paint physically with paint when I use photoshop either. Photoshop doesn't feel hate.

The sentience of AI is also an open question.

I am waiting his answer to whether he believes in souls. I make no judgment until then, but I have a feeling what direction the answer will go in.

Chocolates and rocks are different things.

Pictures and pictures are the same thing.

If they were the same thing nobody would complain about it, would they?

Haven't yet seen anyone here claiming to be a customer or visitor to this fair so we cannot say that.

Depends on which economy the buyer and the seller respectively come from.

Show me where this "soul" is. Never seen one yet.

I don't believe in souls. But I believe in metaphorical souls, and an LLM ain't got one.

Whats a metaphorical soul?

Mostly personality I think. Individuality, opinions, purpose, things like that. Morality, except they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions they strive toward. (Heading out right now to buy a CD player, so AFK for a bit, excuse me.)

Edit to add: I did buy my modern version of a CD player. It has no tone controls. I just have to accept whatever sound profile the manufacturer thought was normal and proper for everybody, which involves lots of bass and not enough middle. Nevertheless, albums! It's a way of life.

>they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions

That's most humans.

Do you believe in souls?

There is an iq requirement to doing good mathematics and science, there is no way other than emergence of experts. Unless you believe a random foaming red hat wearer could have solved this or that millenium problem.

Of course not. Just by age range, I assume a lot of Brexit voters would be dead by now and younger voters are probably more EU supportive.

Its not evident to me you are conscious.

You’re mistaking what is evident from what is philosophically knowable.

It isn’t knowable to you that I am conscious.

However, it is evident.

It is not evident.

It is evident you are murderer.

Would you be okay with this statement being evident? Why or why not?

I’m not interested in having conversations with people who are bad-faith, deliberately or indiliberately obtuse or otherwise non-responsive to logic.

You're the one that started bad faith by claiming some things as beyond logic.

I made an argument of inference that underpins all philosophy.

You made an argument to solipsism, which historically means you aren't worth discussing philosophy with.

I made the opposite of solipsism. I am asking you to show your receipts.